History & Exopolitics

The Tesla Battery Heralds The Beginning Of The End For Fossil Fuels

  • greenpeaceRdale1844coop

    It´s a lithium-ion battery elaboration. It still requires lithium, that is a mined mineral from places like Bolivia. That raises issues of pollution, serious issues since mining has no clean practitioners according to Jared Diamond in Collapse, and corroborated by such frequent events as Tailing Dam disasters. The issue of solar and wind variability involves what is called “dispatchability” of power, such as being able to release water from generally undesirable large hydro dams. One renewable solution is biogas/mass burner steam-powered turbines, which essentially uses natural gas burning tech. The biogas solution also takes care of the issue of human and animal organic waste processing and treatment.

    • Jd Dre

      Mining issues? How is this any different than mining coal today? And if you want to discuss mining for batteries, how do you explain the Prius, let alone approve of one? Rochdale, you argue against everything, but you offer no better solutions save for using natural gas to run turbines, which comes back into drilling, which has it’s own set of issues. I’d rather recharge a battery as opposed to relying on a corporation to supply me with gas/electricity, which is the whole point – self-sustaining.

      • greenpeaceRdale1844coop

        You´d rather recharge a battery “as opposed to relying on a corporation”? And you communicate with an informed party by accusing?

        You´re not quite reasoning clearly. Battery technology and mining is hardly non-corporate. In any event, any economic activity can be made more stakeholder oriented.

        Whether biogas burning in fact has more disadvantages or is not in fact more easily done locally and in a stakeholder model, that would be your burden of proof. Germany´s farmers have been leaders working with local social solidarity entrepreneurs, along with Sweden, in biogas tech. As for other options, while you hardly asked nicely, hydrogen fuel is certainly the dispatchable option to watch. Locals are even getting in on the action, like a Brazilian on youtube, has developed a motorcycle that runs on water. Otherwise, Aberdeen, UK has imported H2 buses, and Toyota is marketing an H2 car.

        • jmcornwell

          With climate change enthusiasts claiming that water is getting scarce, what would power the water-run motorcycle?

          • greenpeaceRdale1844coop

            You’d do better aligning your perspectives and distinguishing the climate scientists, activists, and their supporters. Battery power, or good ole Bicycle power is certainly available while desalinization or agroecology policies are restoring precipation to areas, and the like. This is a scientific issue, with numerous means of mitigation and adaptation. Who, in the end, are the denialists?

          • jmcornwell

            Bicycle power is bring back precipitation instead of geo-engineering ceasing? I’d like to see a photo of that or at least some credible and verified scientists.

          • greenpeaceRdale1844coop

            I’m not quite sure what the specifics are behind your geo-engineering comment. I referred lightly to “good ole bicycle power” in the context of considering off-hand water shortages and potential challenges to water-powered / hydrogen vehicles. That was a scenario, and in considering scenarios more seriously, more specific details need to be established.

            Still in a more general sense, the issue of restoring precipitation is best planned according to agroecological principles. Desalinization to produce fresh water, powered by renewable energy, could be an important strategy, no less. Gaviotas Community in Colombia, started by Paolo Lugari, has demonstrated important increases in precipitation after planting a pine forest based on a regional species. Reverse Osmosis Desalinization allows Israel to meet some high percentage of its water needs, and even export, although they have used fossil fuel power. Projects from Danish, German, and Spanish national accomplishments, to US Appel Steel’s near 100% solar factory, show the importance of renewable energy.

            If you’re interested science, I recommend that you study the History and Philosophy of Science to help discipline and clarify your thinking on these interesting and important matters. Good luck.

          • jmcornwell

            So basically, you offer BS and glib referrals instead of actual American examples. Exactly what I’ve come to expect from green ecologists who have no experience in history, philosophy, or science but rather point “over there” to what is being done everywhere but where they live and work. Bravo!

          • greenpeaceRdale1844coop

            The only “BS” around here is fanatically your own. You’re clearly a rude and petty person who has never learned to interact decently with people. When you don’t understand something someone else says, or if you think it is “unrelated,” it is your responsibility to speak politely in those terms to create a basis for decent communication to pursue knowledge. If you want other examples to your liking, then you ask using the magic words.

            Since you conduct yourself like an obnoxious jerk, however, I’ll just say that you can go find you’re own damn examples if you want. As for where soap gets used to wash mouths, I’ll certainly wash off the words history, philosophy, and science to clean them of your pernicious and nasty taint.

          • jmcornwell

            Hope the soap is your favorite taste.

          • greenpeaceRdale1844coop

            The metaphor doesn’t apply to me, since I refer to history, philosophy, and science appropriately, and not like a whimsical, undisciplined scoundrel. Soap is for washing, however, and you can kiss the porcelain God zone where I wash, in Jesus name.

          • jmcornwell

            Keep washing and use a scrub brush. Start with your tongue, but don’t leave out fingers and brain.

          • greenpeaceRdale1844coop

            And so, instead of advancing a conversation by pursuing subject matter, you found your comfort zone. That’s why therapeutic psychology and social service are valuable developments in the history of modern culture. That’s why making a mom your hero has serious limitations. Again, The Colombian project Gaviotas demonstrated how tree-planting transformed precipation in a semi-arid region. Funny how a myopic American got all irritated and showed his psychological blocks to learning. Al-Anon support groups are good, too, there, Alfalfa.

          • jmcornwell

            My “mom” is not my hero. She was the bigoted/prejudiced bane of my existence and she has been dead nearly 6 years. Might be best for you not to judge people you’ve never spoken to or researched.

  • ClydeMcWhorter

    These are for sale where? Can you buy them on Ebay? Are is this propaganda for the 6 billion dollars that Gov. SANDAVAL GAVE TO THIS GUY? HE SAYS HE HAS THESE BUT WHERE CAN YOU BUY THEM? IS HE GOING TO IMPORT THEM FROM CHINA?

    • Shaneveteranoffgrid

      You can buy them now and they’re actually a little cheaper than $3500 if I recall correctly. Get your head out of the conspiracy cloud. It seams to be cutting off the circulation of oxygen to your brain. I live off grid and follow this tech closely. Maybe do a quick background search before you spew garbage. It really does do more harm than good.

  • Risa Ruse

    If we have the desire to put our heads together with a positive intention, nothing would be impossible. The issue is how to keep away those that would undermine every effort for a clean, healthy world. Peace, Risa http://RisaRuse.com